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I drink.Not often, like once every other month and I dislike the taste of beer so I never have that. I like more of the fruity drinks and most of them you can get without alcohol. It's also a family/cultural thing too. During Christmas sometimes we have this drink called Sorrel ( like the boots lol).I've been tipsy once and hated the feeling so if I do decide to have a drink I limit myself to two. I never had to drink alcohol to have a good time and the people around me never pressure each other to consume alcohol.

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Well, I had to take a moment to think through your use of words. So, I'm thinking this might be my last thoughts on this subject. Simply put, I think I've pretty much state anything I can stick up for. :) I may even be repeating myself here.

 

Let's see, I think most people may start drinking to experience something new, or something that seems so popular. Maybe they want to experience being drunk (intoxicated), or maybe they just want to know what the big deal is as far as taste. More likely, this takes place in a group of peers, such as a high school or a college party. However, just because this is the most common reason, it does not mean that it is ALWAYS the case.

As for me... well, when I was 8, my mom was having a beer. I think I was simply curios about the taste, so she put just a sip on my tongue. Just to let me taste it. She knew I would NOT like it. Beer tends to be an taste that you either like or don't, or a taste that is developed later in life. I hated it so much I spit it out, there was definitely a mess to clean up. I swore that it wasn't worth it, that I'd never want to drink.

As I got older, I also realized that we have alcoholism in our family (the men, mainly). This became a reason for me to not drink. However, at 16 I was curious about a drink my mom was having. A mixed fruity drink. Maybe a strawberry dackery (spelling?). I liked it so much I was afraid I would not be able to control myself. So, I declared drinking AT ALL just wasn't for me. Aside from a hot toddy (an old home remedy for colds and flus, that even some doctors will recommend).

I didn't have any more alcohol until my late 20s. I was probably 28 or 29. This is when I was talking to someone about the vast amount of options when it comes to alcohol, of any kind, and how different they all taste. He told me that, odds are, there was probably something out there that I'd enjoy the taste of. So, at this point in my life, I had finally started to consider myself well controlled. I knew how to say 'no'. I finally fully understood that there are no absolutes in life. That, just because you know people who can't control themselves, doesn't mean EVERYONE is like that. I had had more than one experience of having to leave situations because people were intoxicated, and I could not trust them, but also had had experiences where the people had a little, but were able to be responsible, and not lose their wits. So, when my mom talked about this wine she liked that was a concord grape wine. I asked her if I could taste it. I made sure that I was in a safe environment, that I could trust. My mom. I had her give me a half a glass. Never having drank before, I knew my limit would be terribly low. That first half a glass did give me a slight buzz. I didn't like it, but I did enjoy the taste of the wine, and I did enjoy the warm relaxed feeling it gave me just before the buzz. I did NOT like the buzz. So, that controlled environment experiment that I put myself through taught me how to control the situation, and the amount. You see, the relaxed feeling is something a lot of people can do naturally. I have never been able to do that. Relaxation, to the extent of enjoyment, has never come naturally to me. My body is in a perpetual state of tenseness, most of the time. No matter what I do. 'Relaxed' does not equate to 'intoxicated', and I don't like 'buzzed'. So, now, I do enjoy a glass of wine from time to time. I can take it, or leave it, but I enjoy the taste (of SOME WINES) very much and it does help me relax. Not uninhibited, but more loose in being able to deal with my inhibitions.

 

What it boils down to is this, I can take it or leave it. There have been, literally, two instances where I had a teensy bit in a group situation. Both after I found my limits with my experiment and my mom. Neither of those times did I drink to the point of more than relaxing. I did not lose my senses in any way.

 

I can't speak for what is right for others, or what they should/shouldn't do.

 

I'm always sleepy, so I can't even say that it helps me sleep.

 

So, if you noticed. Every time I tried alcohol it was simply because of a curiosity of taste. The enjoyment of the feeling it gave me, relaxation and warmth, didn't come until I paced myself with that first half a glass. Never once did I understand wanting to feel drunk. Loosing my inhibitions, or not being able to remember what I did or said, was never something I wanted to know.

 

Again, I stick to moderation is key. This goes for anything. Seriously, think about it. If we consider the four reasons you gave as the only reasons for drinking, that has to apply to anything anyone does. Don't you think? ANYTHING, can be considered bad for us if it consumes us. Anything can become an addiction. Even chocolate, video games, sports, anything, can be an escape for us, or a hinderance, or make us feel better, or make a situation better. We all have something that does that. Also, no matter what we do, it affects our lives. If you are HURTING yourself, or others, THEN it's a problem. Moderating yourself, this is what life is about.

 

Side note not completely related: Although, I do know that feeling, because when I had my wisdom teeth pulled they put me on Tylenol 3 with Codeine. That stuff made me HIGH, and I don't even remember Thanksgiving dinner the next day... and it's been 17 years since then! LOL :D My mom tells me my family was asking 'Is Elizabeth high?' to which she responded 'Yep'... the long running joke, for a while, was that they should have an intervention to get me to use drugs more often, because it made me so friendly, talkative, outgoing, etc etc etc. No, they didn't mean it, they were joking. Even if they were to mean it, I would never willingly do anything that made me forget anything like I forgot that day. Also, a few times I've been hospitalized for pain, and they gave me pain meds... I hated that feeling when they hit, that feeling that most people seem to like.

 

For sure!!!! I think we're thinking sort of the same thing! :) You DO understand!!! :')

 

I say I can't say I'm right, because I know that, objectively speaking, I am a subject, and with my subjectivity comes biases, flaws, potential for error, and limited capacity through which I may seem the world. I believe my point to be the "right" point, but I know I have to say that with some hesitance.

 

I think there is somewhat of a moral valence to alcohol in general, and I don't believe it's person specific. I think drinking alcohol is a light moral wrong (what I would call an "irresponsibility" - it has the potential to produce negative consequences, and thus should be avoided, though it may not have immediate/direct consequences).

 

I REALLY appreciate your perspective, it's challenging to my absolutist moral view, and intellectual challenge is so important and fun. You're softening me a little bit... DARN YOU!!! :P

I'm sorry, but this still reads (to me) as saying that this is what you have decided is right FOR YOU. :) However, since you insist that what you are saying is that you are absolutely right, I'll leave it at that's the way you see it. You are entitled to your view.

 

The moral wrong IS the irresponsibility that some people have. I don't usually like to bring my faith in as part of an argument, but I have already, and I'll stick with it. I don't know what you faith is, or if you have any, but (in my faith) my understanding is that Jesus changed the water to wine for a celebration. He would not have done that if he felt it to be any kind of wrong, if used in moderation, because Jesus did not do ANYTHING that was wrong (on any level). He would not have even ENABLED a wrong. Teaching us that moderation is key, I can presume that He felt that the occasional bit was ok, as long as it does not become a problem. As long as we learn what our limits and moderate ourselves.

 

Whether I have been able to show you a different view point to actually, genuinely, consider... I really think I am done. I feel like I just wrote a novel. lol I almost feel like I should just delete the whole thing. However, I did take the time to think about it and type it out. So, I might as well not let this time be wasted. :D

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I've tried alcohol before, on very rare occasions. Many of them when family let me have a "taste" of something. I've never been drunk, most of the times I did try alcohol it was only a sip or two. Although there was one occasion when I had a few glasses of sangria with a friend, but it was so diluted that it didn't have any effect on me.

 

Personally, I don't drink because I just don't like the flavor, and getting drunk doesn't appeal to me. It doesn't bother me when other people drink, and I make it a policy of mine not to drink if I do happen to be out at a social gathering. I've been offered drinks on many occasions, but I wouldn't say pressured into it (well besides one time by someone I didn't really know, but it just made me more annoyed than anything). Most of the time, people respect the fact that I'd rather not drink, even strangers.

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But pretty much anything people enjoy can have negative consequences, either for the self or for others. Dancing is actually a good example. If you dance carelessly, you can accidentaly hurt someone by hitting them or falling on them. And the people I know who dance professionally, or aspire to, have almost universally sustained some kind of horrible, life-long injury by their late teens/early 20s because of the strain that it puts on one's body.

 

So basically, it's not the activity, it's your personality, and your ability to moderate the activity that makes the difference. Even when I've gotten very drunk, I've *NEVER* thought it would be a good idea to get behind the wheel of a car. And my boyfriend becomes sweet and giggly when he drinks -- he has never gotten violent or aggressive at all. Heck, to use another one of your examples, I get WAY more surly and aggressive when I play cards (as I am very competitive and, admittedly, a sore loser) than when I drink. I've stopped playing cards all together because I don't like the aspect of my personality it brings out, but I continue to drink, because at most it makes me feel a little more talkative, and a little more sleepy.

 

 

I don't know how any food tastes before I try it: hence the age-old parenting philosophy of making their kids try at least one bite of a new food before allowing them to decide they don't like it. I first started drinking because I was fascinated by wine pairings, and I wanted to see if there was any legitimacy to the idea. That's the truth. It wasn't until years and years later that I started to drink with any intent of feeling intoxicated. I used to be very opposed to altering my consciousness in any way. Now, I'm OK with certain substances like alcohol and caffeine, that are non-addictive in most people (alcoholics are the exception, not the rule) and don't seriously affect your personality or perception of reality. 

"Ladies and gentleman, THIS is the kind of rational, level-headed argumentation that is actually PRODUCTIVE and INSIGHTFUL. No insults, no unnecessary emotion - just good, well thought out points!"

 

You make some REALLY good points. Thank you for actually allowing this discussion to go somewhere. I want to argue against you more, just for intellect's sake, but you put me in a tight corner. This really made me think.

 

Check mate, Steadfast. Check mate.

:D

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It looks like I'm the outlier here, but I drink socially. I'm a college senior and I, along with all of my friends, are diligent and hard-working students who are pursuing careers in academia, law, medicine, the list goes on..., and getting tipsy and dancing with your most loved friends after a particularly dreadful Econometrics or organic chemistry exam is a bonding experience like none other. 

 

I don't drink to the point of physical sickness. I don't drink to alleviate concerns or physical and/or mental pain. From time to time, I get tipsy because it's very fun and there's nothing wrong with that  :)

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I've tried alcohol before, on very rare occasions. Many of them when family let me have a "taste" of something. I've never been drunk, most of the times I did try alcohol it was only a sip or two. Although there was one occasion when I had a few glasses of sangria with a friend, but it was so diluted that it didn't have any effect on me.

 

Personally, I don't drink because I just don't like the flavor, and getting drunk doesn't appeal to me. It doesn't bother me when other people drink, and I make it a policy of mine not to drink if I do happen to be out at a social gathering. I've been offered drinks on many occasions, but I wouldn't say pressured into it (well besides one time by someone I didn't really know, but it just made me more annoyed than anything). Most of the time, people respect the fact that I'd rather not drink, even strangers.

Hrm...the last time I drank enough to puke, I was your age Allishag. Anyway, being drunk or buzzed is over rated. To be honest, I don't even bother drinking socially any more. I guess the novelty of being able to legally drink wore off after a few years...

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@wanderlust-You might be an outlier here, but in real life the rest of us are the outliers. The majority of people I knew in college were similar to what you described. Many were great students, but also liked to get drunk. Even some of the younger professors were like that. I was the weird one for having no interest in it.

Now, don't get me wrong. There were also not-so-great students who were spending too much time getting drunk, but it was very common for good students to also enjoy getting drunk.

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I drink, but its a glass of moscato wine, with dinner with my sisters and mom.

Only once or twice every couple of weeks.

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hmm...reasons why i dont drink

 

1. it impairs your brain

2. it impairs your liver

3. i drink pepsi like water...i feel like if i drank alcohol i would be doomed

4. when i was little my mom gave me a liqour filled chocolate because i wanted to try the ''special adult chocolate'' it tasted horrible and i spent like 30 minutes spitting it out in the sink and washing my mouth out with soap because that tasted better

5.drunk people are really annoying

6, I understand like 1 drink at like a family gathering since my mom likes to do that for whatever reason(but i dont understand why it couldnt have just been pepsi instead,or anything, the list of good tasting beverages is huge),  i dont understand why people choose to go to parties and get ''wasted'' , absolutely nothing good comes from it, you throw up everywhere , do incredibly stupid things, potentially get raped, wake up with one of the worst feelings ever (at least thats how its described , i wouldnt know what a hangover feels like) people kill other people by drinking and driving and then live with that for the rest of there life.and dont remember any of the ''good'' things that happened,oh and its like a the perfect scenario to be introduced to drugs and all those fun problems that come with that too

7. i would be a terrible drunk

8. my grandma to this day is an alcoholic , ive seen her fall over drunk at 70 years old when my little sister tried to hug her and make her cry, and my dad ran away from home at 15 because his twin brother was grandmas drinking buddy and my dad refused to drink so she treated him like crap. alcohol has made my dad the black sheep of the family and is the source of me seeing my dads side of the family once a year if im lucky. (my moms side is all in mexico as well so it makes it feel like i have no outer family)

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I liked almost everyone's post on this topic haha. You all made really good points, and I enjoyed reading it. I personally drink on occasions. If it's a nice dinner, sometimes I have some red wine. I wouldn't want to marry a woman who drinks a lot. If my future wife likes to drink a little that's fine. If she doesn't want alcohol near us, I'm also fine with that. I'm indifferent to drinking alcohol.

 

When I was in high school, I did a lot of things that will be a testimony to others someday... I hope haha. I have no regrets in life. That's due to the fact I believe God let it happen for a reason. I did various drugs. I smoked pot, I drank alcohol, I drank cough syrup, and I did the occasional pills. I drank seriously with my friends about three times, before becoming known as the drinker in our group. I would say most of the stuff I did was due to external reasons like Paul said. I was indifferent towards the feelings, I just did it because my friends did it and I had nothing else to do.

 

Luckily I started going to church. I got saved, and started to hang out with my youth pastor. I'm so blessed to have been taken out of my situation. Those friends I used to hang out with were looking for cocaine. When I moved away two of them were addicted to pills. I have prayed for them, and am continuing to pray for them. I'm not saying I was the worst person out there, but I had problems. If you don't want to drink then don't. I hope that anyone being pressured to drink will realize that true friends will be there even if you don't. If you lose all your friends because of something like that, I'll be your pal. That's kind of what my youth pastor told me, but now I'm telling you.

 

P.S. I didn't completely stay on topic. Sorry.

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I don't drink. I've never been drunk. I've never been tipsy. When we were kids we would have the occasional taste of alcohol from Dad but never really started myself. Didn't drink in high school although there was some moderate pressure to do so. I think they respected the decision not to. Having a best friend who is allergic to alcohol was great! After school and visiting relatives in Germany I got quite a taste of some different alcohols. Christmass season and one family in particular had wine with every dinner or lunch. Had some really nice hot mead in a market. In a restaurant I ordered a Gin Tonic not realising it was an alcoholic beverage (I was even underage at the time!) until much later. My thought at the time: this is the best lemon lime bitters EVER!! Long story short I discovered I had a taste for alcohol - not necessarily to get drunk but just the taste and texture of certain alcohols was enticing - so I decided it would be best to not even get started. Now I only consume alcohol if its in chocolates (pralines? my rare guilty pleasure), in cooking, or in herbal tinctures. I have no problem being in places that serve alcohol but find I dislike socialising with people that are drunk/tipsy particularly in public places.

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I don't drink. The biggest reason why not is simply just because I hate the taste of it. Even stuff like apple or fruit cider where you can't taste the alcohol in it, I don't get the point of: if you can't taste it, why not just have non-alcoholic? Plus, I hate the idea of getting drunk and doing crazy stuff and regretting it the next morning when there are photos of me dancing on tables on Facebook.

I think in my whole life, I've drank enough alcohol to fill a shotglass.

xxx

 

Since posting this (aged 18), my tastes have changes a little, I think. I still don't like drinks that taste strongly alcoholic, but I'm more willing to have a glass of something (cider, a fruity cocktail, etc.) when I'm in company, although I still tend to just have a Coke, or something. But I usually have a glass of something at Christmas, New Year, and so on when I'm with family for some special occasion.

 

I'd still say I can take it or leave it, though. I still love my non-alcoholic ciders and cocktails! They're yummy. Plus, I get hyper enough without drinking anything, so there's that.

 

(I should do more of these revisiting old post things. They're kind of cool, and Past-Me is funny...)

 

xxx

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Scotch neat, and occasionally Brandy, Sherry, or a glass of Absinthe.

 

 

 

I wish we could legally get Absinthe here in the United States.... It's only the contaminated stuff that makes you hallucinate... Just some power-hungry politicians trying to outlaw something without understanding it...

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I wish we could legally get Absinthe here in the United States....

 

You can buy absinthe in the US; I've purchased it in liquor stores myself.

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I wish we could legally get Absinthe here in the United States.... It's only the contaminated stuff that makes you hallucinate... Just some power-hungry politicians trying to outlaw something without understanding it...

It never was Illegal, there was a misinterpretation of the law. This will explain http://www.wormwoodsociety.org/index.php/102-news-and-information/items/187-yes-real-absinthe-is-legal-in-the-us

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Since posting this (aged 18), my tastes have changes a little, I think. I still don't like drinks that taste strongly alcoholic, but I'm more willing to have a glass of something (cider, a fruity cocktail, etc.) when I'm in company, although I still tend to just have a Coke, or something. But I usually have a glass of something at Christmas, New Year, and so on when I'm with family for some special occasion.

 

I'd still say I can take it or leave it, though. I still love my non-alcoholic ciders and cocktails! They're yummy. Plus, I get hyper enough without drinking anything, so there's that.

 

(I should do more of these revisiting old post things. They're kind of cool, and Past-Me is funny...)

 

xxx

 

I thought you Catholics like to get drunk on the Blood of Jesus every Sunday.  How come that doesn't count?  JK JK.

 

XD

 

O God!  *braces for impact*

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I thought you Catholics like to get drunk on the Blood of Jesus every Sunday.  How come that doesn't count?  JK JK.

 

XD

 

O God!  *braces for impact*

 

Hey, you, none of that! *smack*  :P

 

xxx

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It never was Illegal, there was a misinterpretation of the law. This will explain http://www.wormwoodsociety.org/index.php/102-news-and-information/items/187-yes-real-absinthe-is-legal-in-the-us

 

That's cool...

 

Now if only we could use the 10th Amendment to declare that those other pesky Federal laws were  Unconstitutional, this country would be a much freer place...

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I do like the occasional really cold beer. :)  Since, my last name is Scottish and my best friend wants me to get in touch with my Scottish roots, I do drink Scotch sometimes (but only for historical purposes). lol  

 

I think socially drinking, responsibly is ok.  But, I'm an adult and am of age.  

 

I was straight edge until I was 24 years old (i.e. I didn't drink alcohol til I was 24).  Then, in my mid to late 20's I started socially drinking when I lived in a Catholic community house where they liked to drink alcohol. (go figure). :) 

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