Francois

Yes. We stayed up all night. I mean heck we've waited all our life for this moment. But the night before our wedding we couldn't sleep either. So after two nights with no sleep we crashed out on the plane towards our honeymoon destination.

We have dated 4 months and were engaged for a further 4 months. Talk about fast! We have been married for just over 3 years now.

I stumbled across this list of 35 celebrities who were also WTM and thought I might share it, eventhough this site does not have any activity anymore. https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/g19792227/celebrities-that-didnt-have-sex-before-marriage/

My twins boys were born two days before our hard lockdown came into effect. Getting into the hospital was a mission. At times security wouldn't let me in to help my wife with the kids but some of the doctors granted it after having an argument at the gate. On the first day of hard lockdown we brought the boys home. Here in SA we only get 3 days paternal leave. However due to the lockdown the company I work for has granted us two full weeks of leave. This was the part that really helped me. My sleeping patterns were disrupted and after waking a few times at night my wife often had to wake me with coffee at 10 or 11 am. I know for business owners these times have been really hard so I have a bitter sweet feeling about all of this. In terms of contracting the virus both my wife and I are certain we already had it while being at home.

Let me start the first post of 2021 with this topic by asking which of the four basic temperaments (phlegmatic, choleric, sanguine, melancholic) do you have? The test can be found here: https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/O4TS/results.php?dat=MSAxOSAxNiA4 According to the test I am mostly phlegmatic. "The phlegmatic temperament is fundamentally relaxed and quiet, ranging from warmly attentive to lazily sluggish. Phlegmatics tend to be content with themselves and are kind. They are accepting and affectionate. They may be receptive and shy and often prefer stability to uncertainty and change. They are consistent, relaxed, calm, rational, curious, and observant, qualities that make them good administrators. They can also be passive-aggressive."

Great question. A real man will protect those who are vulnerable. He will provide security in times of uncertainty. He will count his words and be true to his promises. He will inspire his children (or other people) to be the best and be a real mentor. And last but not least he should be humble, and face his mistakes and short comings. That is what I think.

Yes the pill since we decided to wait for at least a year before trying for kids. It made no change to the level of intimacy.

A lot of sites use The Dating Lab's database (or powered by it) so you have access to a large amount of potential people from other sites. I registered on "DatingSA" which was also run from this database. All of the sites are similar. Except visual colour schemes differ between them. It would calculate your best matches based on your profile. I would recommend looking for one of these sites. Funny enough in the end of the day I met my wife on a very cheesy iffy dating site (local to South Africa) where I actually least expected her to be. Because we had such success with that particular site, my MIL now created a profile for herself there LOL.

I am curious though as to who she says in South Africa are God's people?

In your first post you mention what Jesus might have looked like and not look like. You then swung completely around and say it doesn't matter thus making any argument I posted on your argument void and making this thread useless. In my life I have never bowed down to any sculpted or painted image. Not of any foreign gods nor of Jesus. Yet the mind is a curious thing and we always would want to think of what Jesus would have looked like physically. In fact the Bible says we will see Him coming back on the clouds and we would wonder what the face of the Son of man would look like when He looks upon us. Jesus when walking on earth could not have looked Western European. That I agree. But a black man? Definitely no. Afro hair does not have the consistency of wool. I stay in Africa and touched it many times. Our Lord most likely looked like the people around him. Olive skin and dark hair and eyes.

The problem I have with this is that Cesare Borgia lived from 1475 to 1507. There has been images of Jesus as we know him from before Cesare's era. Example: Christ Pantocrator from the 6th century AD. Also have a look at this: https://www.oldest.org/artliterature/jesus-paintings/. Although some do not show him with a beard, the Bible clearly mention Him in various places with a beard.

I am as straight as an arrow and proud of it.

It depends. I do not think it is an either or for me. I come from a deeply traditional home and would love to maintain it. However schools, houses, rent, food etc have become so expensive that it more often than not forces both to work in order to maintain a good or decent standard of living. As conservative traditionalist as I am I do most of the cooking at home. My wife is in medical and works later than I do. I have flexi hours so I stop working at 3 pm. So I deem it only considerate not to wait for her to come home late after facing long cues of traffic. I earn somewhat more than her so it puts my mind at ease being somewhat traditional. I cannot fathom the roles being in reverse where the wife has to look after the man financially.

Amber Elizabeth, thank you for this great post I joined the site January 2013. My reason for joining was that I was meeting up with a girl who didn't wait and already had a daughter. I felt jealous and upset that she didn't wait and felt like I am the only person in the world who is WTM. It was really important to me. I found this site of fellow WTMers who provided comfort. THEN: Relationship status: Single, but on the dating scene Virginity status: Virgin, but kissed before WTM status: Waiting till marriage. It was very important to me NOW: Relationship Status: Married for 2 years now Virginity status: Not a virgin obviously WTM status: Still a believer. Both me and my wife waited successfully till marriage and we are damn proud of it. And WTM is what I will teach my kids

I think it is time Mike "archives" the site as read only content. No new users, no new posts, but anyone stumbling on the site via google to see a discussion on a topic can read it.