Francois

Great question. A real man will protect those who are vulnerable. He will provide security in times of uncertainty. He will count his words and be true to his promises. He will inspire his children (or other people) to be the best and be a real mentor. And last but not least he should be humble, and face his mistakes and short comings. That is what I think.

Yes the pill since we decided to wait for at least a year before trying for kids. It made no change to the level of intimacy.

A lot of sites use The Dating Lab's database (or powered by it) so you have access to a large amount of potential people from other sites. I registered on "DatingSA" which was also run from this database. All of the sites are similar. Except visual colour schemes differ between them. It would calculate your best matches based on your profile. I would recommend looking for one of these sites. Funny enough in the end of the day I met my wife on a very cheesy iffy dating site (local to South Africa) where I actually least expected her to be. Because we had such success with that particular site, my MIL now created a profile for herself there LOL.

I am curious though as to who she says in South Africa are God's people?

In your first post you mention what Jesus might have looked like and not look like. You then swung completely around and say it doesn't matter thus making any argument I posted on your argument void and making this thread useless. In my life I have never bowed down to any sculpted or painted image. Not of any foreign gods nor of Jesus. Yet the mind is a curious thing and we always would want to think of what Jesus would have looked like physically. In fact the Bible says we will see Him coming back on the clouds and we would wonder what the face of the Son of man would look like when He looks upon us. Jesus when walking on earth could not have looked Western European. That I agree. But a black man? Definitely no. Afro hair does not have the consistency of wool. I stay in Africa and touched it many times. Our Lord most likely looked like the people around him. Olive skin and dark hair and eyes.

The problem I have with this is that Cesare Borgia lived from 1475 to 1507. There has been images of Jesus as we know him from before Cesare's era. Example: Christ Pantocrator from the 6th century AD. Also have a look at this: https://www.oldest.org/artliterature/jesus-paintings/. Although some do not show him with a beard, the Bible clearly mention Him in various places with a beard.

I am as straight as an arrow and proud of it.

It depends. I do not think it is an either or for me. I come from a deeply traditional home and would love to maintain it. However schools, houses, rent, food etc have become so expensive that it more often than not forces both to work in order to maintain a good or decent standard of living. As conservative traditionalist as I am I do most of the cooking at home. My wife is in medical and works later than I do. I have flexi hours so I stop working at 3 pm. So I deem it only considerate not to wait for her to come home late after facing long cues of traffic. I earn somewhat more than her so it puts my mind at ease being somewhat traditional. I cannot fathom the roles being in reverse where the wife has to look after the man financially.

Add me to that list too I am married for just over two years now. My wife also waited.

Amber Elizabeth, thank you for this great post I joined the site January 2013. My reason for joining was that I was meeting up with a girl who didn't wait and already had a daughter. I felt jealous and upset that she didn't wait and felt like I am the only person in the world who is WTM. It was really important to me. I found this site of fellow WTMers who provided comfort. THEN: Relationship status: Single, but on the dating scene Virginity status: Virgin, but kissed before WTM status: Waiting till marriage. It was very important to me NOW: Relationship Status: Married for 2 years now Virginity status: Not a virgin obviously WTM status: Still a believer. Both me and my wife waited successfully till marriage and we are damn proud of it. And WTM is what I will teach my kids

And so all good things must come to an end.....:(

I think it is time Mike "archives" the site as read only content. No new users, no new posts, but anyone stumbling on the site via google to see a discussion on a topic can read it.

Don't know. I thought it was closed down and archived already. Seems like there is not much new posts. Back in the hey day there used to be several discussions on a daily basis. Good thing is I have made several good friends on here and some people found their soul mates when the site was at its peak.

Update......... Firstly I'd like to say thanks for everyone's input. So I started with sending messages about specific things that caught my attention on their profiles. I really showed that I payed attention. So the first one blocked me LOL. To no surprise, I had many unread, ignored, messages still. But a really amazing woman replied back who reciprocated my feelings. We have been in a relationship since 30 June And each day is getting better and better. God kept the wrong doors closed just to open the right one at the right time.

Thanks everyone. It is evident then that I need to start all over again. To me it just kinda seem "petty", for the lack of a better word, for someone to hang around a dating site for say 3 years and when they get a message, base the decision that may contribute to the happiness for the rest of their lives on the perfection of that first message. We live in a world where first contact is always hard and kinda akward. Deeper qualities lies hidden, still to be unearthed as both get to know each other better. Anyway thanks. So back to the drawing board for me.